Do you not see the hypocrisy in that? you can't claim to 'minimize abuse' whilst at the same time needlessly killing sentient beings.

not to mention the significantly larger percentage of land and crops required to make animal products when compared to making plant based products, you are actually drastically increasing the amount of 'farm work' required to make animal products when you have to feed livestock the majority of your crops

maybe also look into the vast amount of ongoing exploitation and slavery in animal agriculture and meat processing factories.

Interesting topic! Although admittedly, a little puerile. I though we were perhaps past the point of making mass and crass generalisations about large groups of people.

Firstly- arable farming does occasionally require cheap labour- and in certain horrific situations people are exploited and enter into slavery. The same goes for your weed, the clothes people buy, the phone you probably wrote your original post on. Surely a monetary based framework for structuring global society is to blame, and not simply people who don’t want to be complicit in killing and eating dead things when it isn’t necessary?


Secondly, a defence of veganism could be that a corrupt arable farm perpetuates slavery- most do not.

All abbatoirs kill, corrupt or not, and could be the reason why these morally superior vegans justify their sense of superiority- in my experience, most, and include myself here, really couldn’t give a shit about what you eat mate! Have at it!!!! :-)

The environmental impact of a meat heavy diet, and the various links to different types of cancer do speak for themselves.

From a moral viewpoint- i personally require a type of newly developed medication that did a shit load of testing on animals. Loads. My decision not to eat meat was based on that. A load of animals have died to keep me alive- it just seemed reasonable to avoid killing any more if i can.

Good point about the slavery! I hadn’t considered it as much a i ought to. I had heard the argument about field dwelling animals being massacred by combine harvesters anyway, and that deffo made me think….

Do you have data on the number of farms exposed as utilising slave labour? It would be a good starting off point to gauge the ratio you keep asking about.

Also, the quote regarding ‘the most evolved of us’- what are you quoting?

this could all be solved if they just ate bread animals instead

Yeah or animal biscuits they keep better.

Why do anything at all?

"Don't let imperfection be the enemy of good"

most farm work is large scale desperate labor. the moral answer is clear: be a DIY vegan though it's only a matter of time until the immorality of this is exposed ;)

idk, but its rather obvious why so many vegans behave almost like fascists. veganism in the west is pushed by the same ilk that was pushing global warming before this plandemic...

interesting mental gymnastics there, if you want to talk about forcible suppression of opposition then take a look in the mirror, also you immediately politicize the issue when in reality the vastly growing vegan population has absolutely 0 interest in the politics of 'pushing agendas', literally the entire moral compass of veganism is just about reducing / eliminating suffering

i've never pushed for anything (other than moral consistency, on occasions) if i see misinformation i'll simply attempt to correct it like i did with the op.

The best way to reduce suffering imo is for humans to stop increasing their population

whats the calculus for human suffering to animal suffering? is it a 1:1 ratio?

so you're calling scientists and academics 'naive kids' whilst implying you have all the answers?

there's literally nothing more naive than labelling moral consitency an 'agenda'

also you seem to be very hung up on the term 'vegan', well it doesn't always have to be about vegans, as most intelligent rational humans will tell you, this is actually about the animals, not us.

interesting you want to label a rational statement as propaganda, yet you keep saying such things as 'plandemic', 'pushing global warming', 'vegan agenda'

you are clearly highly influenced by propaganda, and i did see your statement about vegan kfc items yes.

Just going into KFC everyday for deliveries made me veggie, but I often go for vegan options. Even Greggs (UK) has vegan now. Just one KFC store, you gotta wonder where all those chickens come from. Just one (and I go to two that are always stacked with delivery drivers and families getting buckets of steroids). How are so many chickens stored? It doesn't even compute bc it's an endless amount. I'm talking two stores in one city. If someone offers me a meal w/ meat I'll chow it down, I'm not going to be a ponce about it, or push my views on someone else. But when you really look at it, or have a discussion with someone pushing the "I could never give up meat" it just falls flat. It's a choice at that point to carry on regardless. There's actually no need for meat anymore.

I have never entered an KFC or ordered from them. Stopped eating fast food a long time ago due to health reasons. Even went 5 years or so without meat and dairy.
Having lived through that ordeal I mastered the topic of food and health, at least in my case.
Btw, Im all for closing down big industry meat production and I support only small local sustainable production of food, not just meat.

Same when I ate meat never ate that crap. It's astounding how many ppl do tho. I agree man it's the way forward for now.

that's so absolutely true that when discussing this subject with stubborn people who 'could never give up meat' it always falls flat, probably why the original poster never replied! the issue of veganism is not contemporary within the scientific community

they will usually just straight up ignore science so they can push their own agenda, when the FACT is, there's actually no need for meat anymore, nor the suffering and exploitation associated with it.

To play devil's advocate, I do kinda get the "can't" pov. Sometimes I've seen pictures of cute cartoon cows for burger bars offering whatever deal, the idea of what your eating is connected but far removed from reality. You could essentially pull the car over to show your kids some cows and feed then some grass, and on the way back get a burger for the kids and a few pints. It's that Alan Brazil/Fruit Pastilles (youtube) mentality that I think the idea of free range needs seen as doing your part. That's what I say in conversation, at least, to the "can't", that free-range makes sense.

whats the calculus for human suffering to animal suffering? is it a 1:1 ratio?

Ok so you've completely disregarded your original post by the looks of it

An estimated 50 billion chickens are slaughtered for food every year – a figure that excludes male chicks and unproductive hens killed in egg production.

that's only chickens but you're welcome to work out your own ratio there bud

Good point, although consciousness is actually immeasurable as it’s subjective… there are ways of measuring intelligence, but that’s a different thing, and academics struggle to agree on how it can be measured anyway…

That’s one of the philosophical arguments of Veganism- we can’t actually gauge human suffering against animal suffering because we have no way of measuring the suffering the animal endures.

Tough one innit!

genius

An interesting method... it would work so well in some parts of the EU kkk

seems so much easier in an eu country considering densities i cant imagine how the russians do this

The European postal system works though

I agree. This would work so well within Europe.

You get geolocation and pictures of a stash site after you've paid. Then rate/review within 24 hours. Lot's of running though.

Good alternative to when post is out. May be LB can that in case of emergency postal failure!

jesus that murder for hire is scary

Back and forth many times I gotta give it to Android, way more crypto evolution takes place there than the App Store.

Switched to the Pixel 4 XL after 10 years of iPhones. Keyboard is a bit better on iOS, in my experience, but everything else is better or not noticed on Android. The switch isn't that big of a deal unless you REALLY love iMessage.

I would like to let you know that you can personalise everything on android. Go Android :D

Also: AVOID SAMSUNG AND THEIR STOOOOPID BLOATWARE.

Android all day long mate, apple way to restricted and next best thing to everything costs. Stick with the little green man

Android,

Because fuck Apple.

fuck apple marry android

and have a baby linux

Android because Googles voice recognition on a 100 dollar is better than Siri's most precious iPhone

I've had a Samsung for the last 2 years after being 100% apple since they come out.... and I'd go back to apple if I could afford a new mob right now, just all round a better more user friendly product IMO
Please dont vote me down apple haters:-D

Apple all day. Google are well shady.

it is a good question.

both are phones, both do calls and messaging innit?

at the end it all comes down to what for do you need a phone.
switching from one to another can be an inconvenience, but hey, comfort zone is against progress, right?
in my opinion.

have a wonderful day

Android purely because you can not effectively repair or tinker with an apple phone. Android really lets you get in there and tinker with the device, customize it, change it, whatever you can think of really. I love that.

Every device I have is Apple (for work) but i’d choose Android. Apple are ok but a bit restrictive. have a play with both and see which one you prefer.

I find IOS much easier to work with , once you get used to one of them , hard to make the switch

There is nothing with the "feel" of an apple. If that word resonates with you get the apple if it sounds like bullshit get android.

his best podcast in a while. one always wonders about the underlying myths and lex handles them objectively.

sure but was it lex or did his underlying thetan have a hand in this

Really can’t stand Lex. He contributes nothing to any discussion whilst giving the impression of being deep and probing.

he would be a dildo then ?? XD

Decentralisation, rebirth of the concept of governments and banks (stores of value and loans of value), the internet of money, the exchange of favours peer to peer, the recognition of favours, global decentralised online democracy, micro businesses go parabolic, communities become self sufficient, govts lose control. Its happening.

from your mouth to jah's ears

This guy is the new leader^

True though. example..I cashed out £3k yesterday just for posting on a crypto sub on reddit for a few years, 3-4 posts a week.. erc20 rewards. I use brave browser which offers free anti tracking, https upgrades, ad free browsing (inc youtube) and it pays as you go with BAT token. It covers my premium netflix monthly subscription and costs nothing.

Neurolink by Elon Musk

relax, he resigned :)

I've read about this before bud but never decided to do it as I felt it would be too little. Can you explain more about it, i'd love to know with regards of how active you actually were. its a very clever idea. did you pay for brave or was it free? I'll go check it out thanks for sharing :D

How do you earn money just posting on Reddit?

nice list!

We bio engineer ourselves into organic super computers, harness the planets electromagnetic field as a server and live as gods in virtual reality.

Yes and still complain it's not like the good old days

but it won't be 'us' providing this world, it'll be engineered and controlled by a select few people who will have total control over everyone

yeah theyre called ai

ai has been in control since the 19th century, we are working for the machines, not vice versa

since religions were organized, self preserving entities that transcend all people.

And we don't need to leave the house to do it. Where do I sign?

You do realise the earth's magnetic field is weaker than a fridge magnet right xD

you have earned 1 toaken

Web 5. Decentralisation of personal data. Anonymity. Buyers Markets. People realise phones arent phones and just tracking chips that post spam in your face all day so we go back to mp3 players that make calls. We reverse the inversion and regain the ability to tell human from computer and truth from fiction again.

Humanity cannot progress or achieve the things we used to while big data has us pinned down with the technology and the mind games, constantly draining every penny we have. We're so busy trying to create money with our bare hands to pay off the debt they are creating that we can't get anywhere and never will.

People are working to take apart that system as we contemplate.

For now at least we have LB.

It seems more than ever the Old guard sees the next wave coming and is way more on top of it than previous leaders. this alone makes it interesting

the corporate curated a.i. justified brave new world feed that makes you yearn for the good old days of google

Life itself?

Hopefully a revolution 🙏

a dildo in the face one in the butt and a fleshlight on the cock, they will convince you you are a real person and you work for onlyfans, but there will be millions of you all stacked up as far as the eye can see.

Cybernetic implants that turn you into a computer then we will go too far and try and turn the planet into a super computer and blow ourselves up again and it will be back to painting on cave walls.

Nuclear oblivion and radiation
Good night and sleep well

When I 1st read this topic I thought it was silly but now Im reading it the New York Times

And what does that tell you about the New York Times? That it's lying about Trump? Or is it just trying to mislead its readers by implying stuff that it has no evidence of... Do the same examination of other rumor-spreading fake news organizations and make your own determination, folks. See which ones allow readers to comment on their "stories" and articles. See which ones never present both sides of an argument. Decide which ones can be relied upon for actual news (all of it) and which ones actually suppress news.

There is no news that can be relied upon this is why the reader needs to take in multiple sources and viewpoints.

i think its a really mega trend. fascism was a reaction to kingdoms turning into modern nations. this time populism is a result of modern nations turning into global pieces.

well put

Fascism isn't inevitable if people get off their asses and vote.

What good is voting if the legislature is alfeady bought and sold?

Even Eisenhower, the General who defeated fascism saw what would happen. He became the President of the US and devoted his farewell speech to a warning of the future he correctly saw.

Forget Ike, Benjamin Franklin saw what would happen after helping write the constitution. He saw it as a temporary document that would require re-writing.

"it is likely to be well administered for a course of years, and can only end in Despotism"

As if it to prove the words they have been suppressed since he wrote them.

What's the source of that Franklin comment? I can't find it.

Its Franklin's Final Speach On The Constitution. What a guy, should be an inspiration for every bigga.

Thanks, seems Paine is stretching the context a bit.

Only Franklin never said that the Constitution would "require" re-writing (or anything else, for that matter). Nor did he even imply that it was "temporary". His comment only reflected the fact that this was a unique, first-ever document of its type and he wasn't sure that it wouldn't eventually end in despotism due to corruption. None of the framers "knew" what the future would bring, only that what they had made was the most perfect constitution ever made. Not "perfect" (although it may be), just "close to perfect".

Ha this really looks funny now - people have since voted almost exclusively for fascism!

World War I was a fascist nightmare in the United States with Wilson and his cronies using it to attack all of their domestic enemies: African Americans, organized labor and immigrants. It was all documented by the media and no one cared. Helped us get where we are today as much as anything.

Also what good is voting when the only choices are turds?

thats the worst part, fascism has taken hold by democratic election nearly every time

That's what happened in 2016, and it's a good beginning. More people are finding out that they've been lied to, and the liars are in full panic mode at this point.

The NWO is Communist

I thought ww2 was one of the peaks of fascism

First thing to do is find out what "fascism" is. Most people are clueless about that. One excellent example of a fascist organization is Antifa (what an ironic name). Their goal is to shut down opposing ideas by force, and that's what fascist governments do (again, look up the word in the fucking dictionary). If you're going to accuse someone of being fascist, you need to show examples of fascist behavior. Guess who I'm vaguely referring to here...

Oxford Reference definition:

"An authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.

The term Fascism was first used of the totalitarian right-wing nationalist regime of Mussolini in Italy (1922–43), and the regimes of the Nazis in Germany and Franco in Spain were also Fascist. Fascism tends to include a belief in the supremacy of one national or ethnic group, a contempt for democracy, an insistence on obedience to a powerful leader, and a strong demagogic approach."

Now look up "right wing" and tell me how fascism is remotely related to it.

fascism is later stage communism, institutionalized corruption.

sounds kinda like horseshoe theory

ok throw in a little racism and hate where the communist idealism and naivete is and you're there.

Show your working (prove it)
Btw Fascism was defeated in UK and in WWII it was defeated in Italy along with National Socialism in Germany. There is nothing Fascist about our world. The Communists and Capitalists (same thing) won WWII and they are in control.

The URL you posted is a sufficiently disgusting QED

Where is the Fascist propaganda coming from?

Here is another definition of fascism, this one from Merriam-Webster dictionary.

"1) A political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.

2) a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control."

The antidote to Fascism is Democracy.

Democracy, LMAO. If you control the media, you can get the public to vote anyway you like. What was democratic about the Iraq War, or the bombing of Syria?

There are many parallels between the definitions. I'll break them down for you - national/racial-centric; autocratic; dictatorial; anti-democratic; demagogic.

Precisely. Democracy in the UK is flawed, at best for sure. Fascists know the first stage of seizing control of a nation is to take control of its media.
I'm unsure what you're trying to achieve on here - is it to rehabilitate the image of Fascism?
Perhaps you could explain to us what Fascism is.

I’ve already provided a link to a resource where anyone can learn what it is. I’m still learning myself. Please show me which Fascists have taken control of the media. (Don’t waste your time, because they haven’t)

How am I going to learn about a complex political/cultural/social ideology and its historical/contemporary implications through a series of disembodied quotes and sexed-up photos of famous fascists?
Grow up, stop trolling & read some fucking books.

You misunderstand Camber - you're looking for a fight! I agreed with you, UK democracy is lacking. Historically, fascists took control of the media, to take control of a nation - see Germany, Italy & Spain.

I’m not looking for a fight at all. It seems like you don’t know who controls the media. In 1933 all Germany did was to take back control of the media, from the thieves who stole it.

The Jews? Come on man, you're better that, I'm sure of it. Stop getting stoned & researching pro-fascist groups - not a good combo. Get stoned & listen to Forever Changes!

"Everything I've seen needs rearranging,
And for anyone who thinks it's strange,
Then you should be the first to want to make this change,
And for everyone who thinks that life is just a game,
Do you like the part you're playing?"

You smokers are beyond retarded. We even tell you what we're doing and still you defend us. Stupid goyim deserve everything you get

Why are Fascists so angry?

I'm not a Fascist, I'm Ashkenazi as you already know. However, to answer your question: they're not, Liberals are far more angry and reactionary. The reason being, they are double thinking, mental gymnasts who exist in a constant state of cognitive dissonance. You're just stupid, is all