He used to be a pipe smoker so maybe a hash pipe is the way to go. Think biggest hurdle is psychological. He still thinks because weed is illegal in UK it must be bad or scary. He’s happy to take fuck knows how many painkillers though. Sure that doing much more harm than a bit of hash would.

Yeah it’s ironic- I found this site because I didn’t want to take the Big Pharma scrips I was given- and three years on still haven’t, much to the annoyance of my doctors!

That said, I think his head has to be in the right place for cannabis to be an effective pain reliever. If he doesn’t want to get high or like being high then I’m not sure it will work.

What I’ve done with a few friends (one who has arthritis) is start them on a CBD cart. It’s relaxing and distracts from pain but they don’t get high. It’s also cheap. If they want something stronger than move to a THC cart. There is also a device called a Tombstone (because of the shape- no other reason! 🫣😂) where you can put a CBD and THC cart side by side for a ‘full spectrum’ effect as it’s known. I use it virtually everyday when I’m out and about 👍). I’ve only had very positive feedback.

https://www.pasocbd.co.uk/

Good luck👍

Totally loving, Polly puff, that after three years, you are still big pharma-free because this site and its splendid wares 💛

I know huh! ❣️…LB is a life changing event for me!… the future with the pharma is uncertain of course, but hey- three years!! 🥳

Totally ditto gorge. Long may you prosper, big pharma free 💛🎉

If he smokes cigs, the joint was perfect for my old Nan 🥰

If not a smoker, then I’d lean towards RSO

Theirs a few old school tricks to help with. My great uncle had it bad in his hands. Their was 3 things he swore by.

1 he always had a bottle off poitín to rub on his hands in the morning.

2 he had his copper bracelet.

3 this one is about our their but he slept with a bag off cork stoppers under his matters.

Hope this helps.

It depends on method. Smoking?…vaping?…dabbing?…edibles?…RSO?….has he used any before?

Are you supposed to reply to the last post in the thread, or to.the original post?

So sorry you're dad is having that. I hope he sees some relief really soon. There is a company called British supplements that sell really excellent, really strong, clean supplements. They have a really hard time of it because people are coming off their big pharma from taking their stuff and they get grief.
Apparently their turmeric and collagen are really effective in treating arthritis. For people for whom all else has failed. They're not like normal supplements.

Sorry if that is like telling an insomniac to drink some hot milk and have a hot bath. Totally engaging. But I have heard loads about the efficacy of the turmeric in particular.

It sounds like your intentions are clear, you may not be in the best ‘set’ but when are we?

Regarding what you want from the trip can differ, there’s no control to what it throws up.

Have someone you can trust or rely on just so you can check in if you need any help or even have a friend come round and just keep an eye on you. 5g on your own while dealing with some fresh and existing trauma could be pretty tough experiences and furthering your problems.

Try have a decent smoke in the later part of the trip too this helps me balance out anyway.

Thank you lost-odins-eye! I'm already starting to wuss out and am planning on lowering it to 4.5
I don't smoke but will maybe try a couple of MJ concentrates indica drops.
I have discovered there is a live chat for anyone who may be in a bit of trouble while tripping called 'trip sit me', and something called-the fireside project, which are great creations. I will have a sober friend with me, I'm just worrying about worrying about it being a bad idea, but want the healing.
Thanks again. 😊 🙏

Hi Fijijane

I have done heroic doses twice in my life: 60g fresh - first time was Cubensis second time was Thai.

Each time I was alone, I wouldn't want to go there with someone else. I would even unplug my landline and wait for those rare occasions where my family would be abroad.

If anything use the Force i.e follow your intuition. Just looking at your post you say that you want the healing very much but you have strong doubts about doing it now.

Personally I would give some time - at least two or three seasons, maybe a year - before doing it looking at how recent your breakup is.

There is some amount of emotional pain one has to go through in those cases and I would be wary of amplifying it - for lack of a better word - via a potent mushroom trip.

Yet again read your own post without your brain filtering it - I think that deep down you know that it is too early.

While set and setting are paramount you are talking about the kind of doses where you will be lying down most of the trip and you certainly won't be able to use a chat line or any keyboard for that matter.

And whatever you encounter - leaving aside things you are not meant to encounter - you will have to face no matter how comfy the setting or whether a friend is looking after you.

Now you might very well find the healing you're after but bear in mind that we are not just physical - or intellectual - beings, we exist on many levels including an emotional level and some fairly primal levels of consciousness.

Better safe than sorry, and it doens't mean you cannot take any psychedelics but to take on an heroic dose I would want to be in a very good place and even then it is always a leap of faith.

Stay safe and Take care my friend

Wow TWDuke,

Thank you so much for taking the time to write such a clever, helpful, thought provoking response. I was swaying heavily in the direction of not going with the heroic, opting for 4 instead ( I've been great on 3.5 even since the break up), but you have helped solidify this decision, and I'm relieved that I won't be going into it with any conflicting feelings.

Thank you so much 🙏💛

Hi Fifijane

You're welcome.

I really think that you should listen to your intuition and abstain from trying an heroic dose right now.

If there is any doubt or fear - and you said so yourself - then it is not the right time.

Such a dose is katabasis - a kind of Hero's journey not for the faint hearted or feeble minded: to Hell and back.

Take Care

Sorry for mispelling your name in my previous post fifijane!

Neh bother pet :)

I did 5g of golden teachers and it was not as universe shattering as I expected. By that I mean, although a bit wobbly, I was still able to get up and use the bathroom etc. when needed and get back to the world somewhat when I wanted a breather. Don't get me wrong, it was still a strong trip but perhaps not as strong in some ways as a whole tab of Lucy I did since. In my mind I think I had built 5g of shrooms up to be some kind of DMT, meet the aliens kind of thing! But it wasn't that for me - it was just a somewhat stronger, longer version of the 3.5g experience with more intense, persistent visuals (I'm mostly referring to eyes closed visuals here, I didn't really experience heavy open eye, crazy hallucinations - more like perceptual distortions, e.g. curtain patterns moving kinda thing).

My advice, prepare your space to be clean, calming, and cosy. A couple of candles and an oil burner to set the vibe. Pick a day you have pretty clear and you are well rested, feel in a good emotional state - abort and pick another day if you are feeling low or anxious about something. Maybe try and spend some time out in nature earlier that day. Perhaps meditate for some minutes before or on the come up to get settled and calm the mind. Get some eye shades, headphones, and a comfy place to lie down with extra blankets to keep warm if needed (for some reason I often get colder when tripping!). Get together a playlist of music that is beautiful to you, that maybe you find transcendent and positive in some way (for me, Pharaoh Sanders is the man when I'm tripping hard). Once you've really come up, that's the time to put the headphones and eyeshades on and dive deep. Try and make sure you won't be interrupted for a good eight hours so you don't have that worry in the back of your mind and can relax into the experience and come down in tranquility (four-six hours approx for the main trip plus time to comedown). Ideally, you would not take them very late at night and be awake tripping all night, as tripping hard can be a little exhausting afterwards, so you might do better in terms of fatigue taking them earlier in the day or early evening, so you eventually get some refreshing sleep after you come down. Don't take the above as gospel as it's only based off one experience, everyone is different and the potency of the mushies can vary somewhat. I wish you a safe and fruitful experience!

p.s."How to change your mind" by Michael Pollan is a good read/listen to check out on the history of psychedelics, particularly in a therapeutic context, as well as documenting the author's thoughts and experiences with them.

Thank you so much Father Jack for all this brilliant and super helpful information. I implemented lots of it :) very excited to check out the Michael Pollan thing.

Wow, what an amazing experience. I have never felt bliss like that. Well I have the first time I tried the b plus at 3 grams, this somehow- I don't quite know how ,blew that out of the water. Just unbelievable pleasure - I mean the level of pleasure was literally too much for my body to contain and the excess leaked out of my face in the best crying sesh ever! Bliss tears and uncontrollable giggles in one. It was the best thing ever! And exquisite visuals too


I woke up with the perfect head on and knew it was the right time and was able to clear the day, but my 'trip sitter' wasn't able to take the day off so was sat with me on his laptop being very serious and sometimes irritated by the endless groans of pleasure and ridiculous noises, haha. So that was a bit of a buzz kill at times.

I found loads of peace around the breakup, and managed not to make contact. If I managed that I know I won't ever do it and today I feel totally hardcore strong and liberated 🎉👾

Food has never tasted so amazing. Eating was an nigh on orgasmic experience, then I became overwhelmed with sadness thinking about people who have no food, cried for ages but somehow it felt good, and was follwed very quickly with this sense of overwhelming gratitude and the acknowledgement that I'm blessed beyond belief.

I had a mind blowing experience with a sick Indian ringneck I rescued from a bad situation who for last nine years would go nowhere near me, just came and sat near me while the blubbering fest happened, and I spoke to him and felt his sadness - more blubbering , but after that he stepped onto my trip sitters hand- totally Unprecedented. And today he seems much lighter and brighter and sat on my knee!!

I was thinking, whilst in the throws of that unbelievable bliss- oh my god my serotonin is being spanked to high heaven, I am going to feel like total shit tomorrow, but I woke up ready for the gym and able to work with renewed vigour and astonishingly boosted creativity and focus. HOW???!
It just seems wrong somehow that you can have such an amazing experience, and end up with a profound feeling of love and compassion- that really sticks around- the knowledge that parts of my brain that previously were not communicating, now are, that new neural pathways are forming and the neural plasticity of my brain has been made more malleable, allowing for serious change and unsticking of old patterns that have been keeping me stuck.
I just feel like there is a god somewhere awaiting his pound of flesh, haha. But seriously, where's the catch??

Amazing stuff. I can well believe the stuff that's said about a session of psyllicibin being like the equivalent of thousand hours of therapy. Stuff comes up from the past that I never for a moment would have pegged as something that was holding me back. I'm able to feel it and process it there and then.

All hail the mighty shroom🙏
HOW is this illegal when cigarettes and alcohol aren't???🤯 Stone the crows. Things are so fucked up.

Cannot recommend the funguy as a vendor on here more highly. Absolutely golden, good , good people. Have also bought from Dr shroom - albino penis envy which was also fantastic.
Have microdosed and tripped with lsd from the legends and just all round beautiful human beings that are the psychonaughts.

Anyone struggling with anything that traditional therapies haven't helped with should consider the psychedelic route. Probably not Anyone actually, but I think there is potential for healing on a scale that could bring about the most profound shifts in the collective consciousness.

Oh my god - so loved up with everything right now, 🤪😂🩷🩷🩷🩷👾

Ps- it lasted AGES! Well over the average 4-6 hours. Such a strong high, astonishingly longevity. Amazing product

So glad for you Fifijane, I know what you mean about the tears, I get them a lot...for me it's like a mix of joy, sadness, awe and emotional release that just comes up by itself. I think I am due another mushroom mission myself soon! :) I hope the rest of your week goes great.

Thank you Father Jack, the tears were great. You totally get and articulated it perfectly.
I hope you do Go on that mission soon and that you will have a wonderful experience 😊 🙏😳

Sounds amazing. An enlightening experience. Have you ever had that feeling of conscious knowledge that your brain is altered previously? I always thought that it was tripping that fundamentally altered you forever, but possibly it was because we were stupid and took such high doses to start?

I'd imagine it's illegal and alcohol/tobacco aren't as one helps you see reality as it is, and the others cloud it while making you addicted and gaining lots of tax revenues.

I think the catch is that not all experiences are as wonderful as yours, as there were a few casualties in my peer group who were never the same after their last massive trip, and not in a positive way.

Glad your trip was so amazing. Most great trips have a good cathartic cry involved, I find. I have some of Psychonauts finest in the fridge too. Only had 1 drop of the Leisure Time so far, and that was very mild but pleasant.

Would you mind elaborating a bit on your experience with leisure time please ,MightyRux? Was it energetic, chilled? Were there any areas you found it to be particularly helpful with? I find the laser focus to be a great pre workout and to get stuff done

Sure, no problem. It was very, very mild, I suppose chilled, and it didn't really do what I want psychedelics to do to/for me, so I was thinking about 6 drops of the Lazer Focus to start next time. It's a lovely product and clearly worked, and I was a bit emotional near the end. It was mild enough that you could easily talk to people and they'd be none the wiser, and plants were very interesting. Lasted about 8 hours but lingered a while after that. Where else can you get specifically dosed acid to be able to reliably take about 60mcg?

I know right?! Exciting times. Made even more wonderful by virtue of the fact that the vendors are absolutely stellar peeps, and the product is obviously made with so much good intention and skill. I literally felt my blood run cold when I saw the topic by psychonaughts titled 'shutting up shop", ! 😂NOOOOOOOOO!!!!

Looking forward to being able to trust myself enough to have a bottle of leisure time in the fridge and give it a go. I have found on one occasion, the dosing was a bit weird with the laser focus. Usually 3 drops is perfect for me, but this one day 3 drops felt like an awful lot more. I had friends coming over and I had to cancel at the last minute because I was a bit too far gone, and sadly don't really have the kind of friends who would be cool about a small, daytime acid overdose, haha! I guess all sorts of factors come into play like how much sleep you've had, what you've eaten, I was fairly nervous too, but it was so weird how differently it affected me that day.
Pleased you had a good experience of the leisure time, what with the plants and feeling the feels :) and hope the 6 drops will be a blast 😊

I commented on that thread as I felt the same, and JUST as I'd discovered them too! But, it was all fine.

So what made you interested in experimenting with psychedelics if you don't really do many drugs and don't have a friend circle that does either? It seems quite unusual.

I bought the Summer of $99.99 deal as it seemed too good to miss, and I was already calculating taking trip level does of it. I wrote the number of drops on the little card they put in so I can cross them out and get a rough idea of what's left when I'm taking it.

I SO wanted to go for that deal 😫😂. Cannot be trusted.

I know right, that title was a shocker, right?! 😂 SUCH relief to know it's just a well earned holiday for the beautiful peeps.

The interest was borne of a need to find an alternative to ADHD- legal speed meds. And also from reading and watching lots about their ability to heal trauma. I have seen more progress in a couple of months of psychedelic experimentation than in soooooooo many years and sooooooo much money spent on therapy.
The fist psychonaughts trip in particular did infinitely more for me than a three month stay in a trauma clinic. The mushrooms appealed especially, being reputed to be great for deep healing and shadow work, and I've always found it hard to get the relief afforded by a good turning on of the old water works, and I'd heard a lot about the cathartic sob sesh's the shroom can deliver - and they delivered, and I'm in the best mental health since I was a sprog. Totally all down to these magical elixirs.

Great system you have there for keeping tabs on what you've used in your little bottles :)
I also want to get a bottle of the 'deep dive', but oh my god, you know, I have on occasion- even with someone closely monitoring the drop I squeezed into my mouth - accidentally had an extra drop manage to make it's way out before I could do anything about it. That's all well and good when is only ten iu , or ui, or mcg whatever it is, but an extra accidental drop of the deep dive.... yaaaaa ...not quite so negligible, haha.

Needless to say I will be employing your tactic when I get a proper ( non trial) bottle.

I reckon a proper trip off the leisure time would be a more chilled and possibly more comfortable experience. A full trip on intense 'laser focus', probably isn't the best idea, though it has been great :) I'd recommend you went for that one when go for a full trip :) hope you have a great time 😊

I do have one friend who would be up for taking a journey with me, but she is on ssri and apparently psychedelics on that is a no, no. Does anyone know if that's myth?

Thanks MightyRux.
Very sobering and saddening to hear about your peers that seem to have been permanently affected negatively. Such stories I know will keep me safe from the serious big doses. I'll never do
more than 4g of mushrooms or 150 ui of acid in one hit as a result of these very real possible consequences.

I haven't tried the psychonaughts 'leisure time' as yet. I initially bought the 'dip your toe', which is a 2 week microdose course of the 'laser focus'. It arrived in conjunction with the horrible break up ( the very next morning actually), it was a Saturday and I ended up in my state of grief and madness taking ten drops 😬😳. The equivalent of a 100iu trip. SO, so dumb I know, but I was off my face on grief. I hadn't taken acid since I was a teenager, and even then it was only twice at very low doses. Anyway that Saturday on the dip your toe was an amazing but challenging experience, but every time I've ordered since I've gone with the trial size thing because I haven't trusted myself to get the bigger ones while I'm getting over the thing. I tell myself it's for healing and understanding etc, and it really is, but I know a part of me had just been wanting to change how I've been feeling.
I know I have an addictive personality and apart from 2 drops of Mjconcentrates indica pumpjack for sleep sometimes, don't drink or smoke anything or even take prescribed ADHD ( legal speed), meds for this reason. And this stuff- with the zero come down and everything... 😬... so 14 drops in my possession at any one time is as far as I trust myself at the moment. I have made this purchase 4 times I think and every time Barr one I've basically taken the whole lot as a proper trip. That said the times I microdosed I took 3 drops and it was bloody brilliant. It is just beautiful stuff.

Oh- most definitely have had the feeling you mention about having had my brain "fundamentally altered forever". In great ways. Magic stuff ⭐️

The same guy who wrote 'Cooked'. That was a good read. He's a great writer and I was completely unaware he'd written about psychedelics, so thanks for that tip.

I'm the other way around, Rux, I didn't know about Cooked, I will have to check it out as I do enjoy good food and learning about it!

Just a comment about the candles etc.
I had an experience with my girlfriend, I don't remember exactly how much, but it was pretty strong so maybe something about 3g.
So she set up all the environment like you said, with candles, music and and so on.
It was nice I passed most of the time laying down while she was dancing, but at some point a sound started to get out of my dreams and annoying me. So after a while I realised it was the alarm, but I almost tried to destroy the sensor before I realised it was because of the candles and I think we were lucky nothing else happened.
So my advice if you are staying inside is not to use candles as you may leave them burning for hours and is not smart.
Safe travel ;.)

Oh no! So glad you didn't end up in an inferno type situation..Man, what a buzz kill that would have been!

I think, reading descriptions of the levels of dosage effects, that we must have hit heroic doses (or very close to) as teenagers when 150+ dried liberty caps were regularly brewed into tea. The advice from TWDuke is superb, and extensive. From my experience of very high doses I'd agree that there's no way on Earth you'll be at a level to communicate via text inputs as you'll barely be able to move as your mind and the universe interlink. I didn't touch psychedelics for decades after my last trip like that, and only recently tried again with 1.6g, and that was a lovely experience and I'm going to do a lot more. Good luck with what you choose, and getting over that breakup.

Not being rude by not responding to you guys amazing stuff. Did 4g around 1.30 and just took 2 more. It's amazing but I'm juat its just maing me want to contact himwanting to contact him and I'm having this huge head battle

But oh my god the bliss

The fun guy

Oh my god. Amazing

Bliss like you c

Could not express

Forgive horrendous grammar

Or is it grammer

Haha the irony

F'in feeling so much love for you people.Thank you so much for being so helpful and great

Love love love to you

Totally not like when people are drunk and say they love you

Totally different. Really authentic

Please let me not contact him

Love love love to you all🩷

Oh my god I'm going to die later having posted this shit

Bliss beyond words

Sending it your way

Hi Fifijane

This is what I was worried might happen.

I hope you're alright, I've been away for a few days and your comments below are formatted in a way that they cannot be read.

Let us know you're safe and back with us

Bless you TWDuke you sweet soul!
OK, so during the bit where my words were disappearing from the screen, I was in the throes of absolute bliss. Very embarrassed for having posted on here at such time I hasten to add 😳😬. But where itsays "oh my god I'm going to die", it actually says oh my god I'm going to die later on, having written all this ' I'm feeling so much love for all you guys", etc.
I had a great experience and wrote about it underneath one of Father Ted's posts on the thread :)

I can't get my head round how the messages work on here. The least technically efficient person in the world. I miss loads on here because I simply don't see it. Doesn't help that there is no chronology

Hi Fifijane

Main thing is thatr you're alright.

Make the most out of the afterglow and May the Force be with You

And also with you friend :)
This is the way 😜💥

Thanks for the kind feedback MightyRux

I felt like giving the most responsible advice.

On a related note 150 caps for 3 is how I started on shrooms when I was 17 and while these very certainl heavy mind altering experience there is no comparison to actual heroic dose as you stated yourself.

Cheers

Yeah, we did 150 each, and more, at the same age. If only there had been something or someone more sensible and reliable that we could have consulted at the time. Definitely couldn't have typed during it.

Thank you so much MightyRux 🤗🌻
I am so happy to hear your last 1.6g experience was a good one, and Excited for you to hear you are 'going to do a lot more', and I wish you the best experiences ever 💛🎉
Love what you said about my mind and the universe interlinking

Truly soul fortifying stuff

Great read Fifijane! 😍👍

Thank you lovely Pollypuff :)
Feels very self indulgent 😳 but thank you 💛

The last bit doesn't always happen, but I have 2.4g of one Cali Gold shroom bar left and a whole 4g bar too, so I'll give it a good go. Plus a bottle of Lazer Focus and a Leisure Time from Psychonauts too.

Have reconsidered going to pick Liberty Caps this month too as this should last me many months, and I don't have to go up the mountain with a paper bag.

Wow! It never dawned on me that I could actually go and pick my own! Ooooh! 😃
I'd be the one that picks the wrong ones and comes a cropper I'd bet, haha. To be honest I don't think I'd be brave enough to try anything other than the two strains I've tried and from the exact same vendors. I feel like I'd be pushing my luck, haha

Do it with someone you trust and you’ll be fine.

Thank you pixeljuice °°♡•°